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Eric Huang's avatar

So I’m a bit confused by your characterization of socialists as these pie-in-the-sky types, because it isn’t how I conceive of them (being one myself). A socialist, as I see it, engages in praxis and wants to help working class people now by campaigning for higher wages, public services, affordability, protections for immigrants and marginalized people, reproductive rights, etc. Socialists throughout history have delivered actual material benefits to people.

In late nineteenth and early twentieth century America, for example, there was a vehement progressive socialist movement that resulted in many of the labor and consumer protections we enjoy today. FDR’s New Deal took a lot of ideas from the socialists (e.g., social security, minimum wage, unemployment benefits, abolition of child labor). 1950s McCarthyism made socialism a bad word, but in reality socialism is a very democratic and practical tradition.

I can’t take seriously the people who just sit around all day reading theory and waiting for the revolution (that is, if they’re not doomers who deny any prospect of positive change). I sure as hell wouldn’t call them socialists.

I appreciate the goal of Effective Altruists, but where I’d differ is that I think the way “to do the most good one can” is through democratic political organizing. Giving X amount of money to the downtrodden or refraining from doing bad thing Y are great choices, but they don’t usually lead to the kinds of systemic changes that have, in recent history, drastically improved working people’s standards of living. Those were usually achieved by the collective bargaining of unions and the policies of progressive politicians.

For instance, I think it’s great that Carnegie donated hundreds of millions of dollars to build thousands of public libraries, but it doesn’t change the fact that he was a robber baron in an unjust economic system. The politicians, journalists, and workers who fought against him and his ilk did much more for human wellbeing than he ever did.

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E. Harkness-Murphy's avatar

The part of Effective Altruism that’s all about picking the low hanging fruit as hurriedly as possible is great. How could you go wrong?

The future-facing longtermist / AI / space-seeding side of things is much more debatable

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